Subject: RE: ... eindelijk !!!
Trouwens, als er meer inzat hadden we dat er toch al wel lang uitgehaald,
niet?
Van: David Still [mailto:david@davidstill.org]
amaaai Lies,
het heeft echt lang geduurd eer ik je emailadres in België had gevonden, bij deze: alles goed met je ?
al heel lang geleden zeg ! hoe komt het dat ik nooit niets meer van je heb gehoord na die fameuze avond- geef toe we hadden het leuk, d'r zat meer in vond-vind ik
hopelijk tot heel spoedig,
David
ps je kan me bereiken op het emailadres: david@davidstill.org
niet?
Van: David Still [mailto:david@davidstill.org]
amaaai Lies,
het heeft echt lang geduurd eer ik je emailadres in België had gevonden, bij deze: alles goed met je ?
al heel lang geleden zeg ! hoe komt het dat ik nooit niets meer van je heb gehoord na die fameuze avond- geef toe we hadden het leuk, d'r zat meer in vond-vind ik
hopelijk tot heel spoedig,
David
ps je kan me bereiken op het emailadres: david@davidstill.org
<lies.florentie@asdu.be>
16 Jan 2003 14:01:24
16 Jan 2003 14:01:24
<blustermonkey@yahoo.com>
15 Jan 2003 09:01:28
15 Jan 2003 09:01:28
Subject: Re: Reality: der toe jam conspiracy
The last damn thing th't I trusted was, 'n'I tole' my cousin Jared at the time, too, I said, "Jared, you go a'walkin over that hunkerin pile of old wood, 'n'I trust you'll git a splinter 'n' a nail 'n'yer foot, 'n'you'll lose a damn toe."
But, damn fool, kept on a'walkin', an whaddyaknow, quick as a lick, slipped on a slick fell flyin in slow motion backerds, landed straight on his rearside, went te stand up, an' stands straight up on a big ole rusty nail. Popped right on through his big toe, it did.
Bout a week later, I'd be lyin if'n that big toe didn' just turn green 'n' fall right off, yessir. Fell right off, so'z Jared had te go git him his crutches over yonder from the back shed... 'N'off he goes, goes CLIMBIN on over that self-same woodpile te get inte the shed for the crutches, 'n' I say, "Jared, I trust y'er a'gunna git a splinter".
So'z I know to trust my gumption, inteition, whatnot.
As fer trustin' you, Mr. Dayvid Still, I dun care if'n yer from the Nether-lands or the other right side'a town. Trust's a valyble commo'ty these days, 'n I'z only trust a man I lost a toe wid, I reck'n.
But, damn fool, kept on a'walkin', an whaddyaknow, quick as a lick, slipped on a slick fell flyin in slow motion backerds, landed straight on his rearside, went te stand up, an' stands straight up on a big ole rusty nail. Popped right on through his big toe, it did.
Bout a week later, I'd be lyin if'n that big toe didn' just turn green 'n' fall right off, yessir. Fell right off, so'z Jared had te go git him his crutches over yonder from the back shed... 'N'off he goes, goes CLIMBIN on over that self-same woodpile te get inte the shed for the crutches, 'n' I say, "Jared, I trust y'er a'gunna git a splinter".
So'z I know to trust my gumption, inteition, whatnot.
As fer trustin' you, Mr. Dayvid Still, I dun care if'n yer from the Nether-lands or the other right side'a town. Trust's a valyble commo'ty these days, 'n I'z only trust a man I lost a toe wid, I reck'n.
Subject: Re: well hello
haha, nice
W/ Love,
IzzI
>From: David Still
>hi,
>my name is david, i see you walking. i see your hair shinning in the sunlight. it looks like beautiful sunkissed sand in the wind. you never notice me, this is because i am a hermit and i live in a small house. nobody really notices me at school, thats because i am unattrative and odd looking. i just thought that i would e-mail you and profess my love for you my sweet. you are the sugar i taste everyday, you are the smile that comes on my face when you pass, you are my ocean of love and my longing for you is unbearable! please write me back...
>anomymous
W/ Love,
IzzI
>From: David Still
>hi,
>my name is david, i see you walking. i see your hair shinning in the sunlight. it looks like beautiful sunkissed sand in the wind. you never notice me, this is because i am a hermit and i live in a small house. nobody really notices me at school, thats because i am unattrative and odd looking. i just thought that i would e-mail you and profess my love for you my sweet. you are the sugar i taste everyday, you are the smile that comes on my face when you pass, you are my ocean of love and my longing for you is unbearable! please write me back...
>anomymous
<dizzidance@hotmail.com>
15 Jan 2003 02:01:36
15 Jan 2003 02:01:36
e
<JoanneRpr@aol.com>
15 Jan 2003 00:01:06
15 Jan 2003 00:01:06
Subject: Re: green coat and bowl
Oh yes....in the cupboard....sorry....
What are the other things?....
I will send them to you....
i hope you and lulu are ok and looking forward to 2003....
take care you..
joxx
What are the other things?....
I will send them to you....
i hope you and lulu are ok and looking forward to 2003....
take care you..
joxx
Subject: Re: Reality
Too weak an argument, ain't it? Unless you initials are JF-S, please stop writing to me.
e CO10PI
CO10PI<patata10@arquired.es>
14 Jan 2003 20:01:30
14 Jan 2003 20:01:30
<psychoserpent@hotmail.com>
14 Jan 2003 01:01:18
14 Jan 2003 01:01:18
Subject: Re: Reality
There was nothing strangely familiar about yourself or where you live when I visited your site.
And I don't deny you are part of my reality, but no more than a person dialing a wrong number and ending up with me on the other end, or an incorrectly addressed letter that ends up in my loungeroom is a part of my
reality.
===========================
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
-George Orwell.
And I don't deny you are part of my reality, but no more than a person dialing a wrong number and ending up with me on the other end, or an incorrectly addressed letter that ends up in my loungeroom is a part of my
reality.
===========================
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
-George Orwell.
Subject: hello david
okay David Still....
I will believe that you are a real person if you send me an email in Dutch
and tell me who you are and what you like to do in your spare time cause
according to your last email you said you live in The Netherlands.
Joline Christiani
I will believe that you are a real person if you send me an email in Dutch
and tell me who you are and what you like to do in your spare time cause
according to your last email you said you live in The Netherlands.
Joline Christiani
<joline86@hotmail.com>
14 Jan 2003 00:01:08
14 Jan 2003 00:01:08
e
<Whitneyja422@aol.com>
13 Jan 2003 20:01:38
13 Jan 2003 20:01:38
Subject: Re: Moving out
Thanks for letting me know what Markos would like.
I'll definitely take note of it.
P.S. Who is this??????
I'll definitely take note of it.
P.S. Who is this??????
Subject: Re: Reality
Do you live alone David ?
In almere....
Did you miss having contact ?
When do we meet ?
For if you are part of my reality i would like to feel you
m
In almere....
Did you miss having contact ?
When do we meet ?
For if you are part of my reality i would like to feel you
m
e Miranda
Miranda<m.danza@zonnet.nl>
13 Jan 2003 20:01:09
13 Jan 2003 20:01:09
<rms@gnu.org>
13 Jan 2003 11:01:16
13 Jan 2003 11:01:16
Subject: Re: Reality
I'm sorry if my message sounded suspicious. That's not what I meant.
It's not that I doubt anything you said.
My memory is not as good as it used to be, and I am hoping you can tell me what we talked about and where, so that I connect some memory
of the conversation with your name.
It's not that I doubt anything you said.
My memory is not as good as it used to be, and I am hoping you can tell me what we talked about and where, so that I connect some memory
of the conversation with your name.
Subject: Re: Reality
Your one wierd twisted fuck I'll give ya that.....
Oh and I forgot to ask you a question, What's in the case???
-Joshua Shamblin " The Dope King "
Oh and I forgot to ask you a question, What's in the case???
-Joshua Shamblin " The Dope King "
<joshuashamblin@hotmail.com>
13 Jan 2003 01:01:24
13 Jan 2003 01:01:24
<ivan@ivanpope.com>
12 Jan 2003 20:01:52
12 Jan 2003 20:01:52
Subject: Re: Reality
You come from Reality. I dont trust you. Cheers,
Ivan
David Still wrote
> Ivan: what Hunter had in mind for "speed" has little or nothing to do with cars...
Subject: Re: Reality
S/he attacked the American Library Association for its resolution of concern about the destruction of Palestinian libraries. If you want to see it, I'll be happy to send it to you.
David Still wrote:
> Dear Mitch: Thanks for letting me know that someone is posing as me. But what message is he sending? Does he have some overdue books or is he complaining that some books in libraries may be immoral or, worse, tasteless? I am a great respector of libraries and recall lan old friend ad adviser who once told me: if you want to get laid, go to college. If you want to learn, go the the library.
> Be of good cheer
> Maurice J. (Mitch) Freedman wrote:
> Leonard Tolkan, a pseudonym, used your e-mail service to maintain his anonymity in a message he wrote. That you are or are not a real person does not concern me. The lack of identification of Leonard Tolkan, his claiming to be librarian, and his total lack of accountability is what concerns me.
>
> Should I ever wish to send e-mails with my identity hidden, I know that there is a website, www.davidstill.org, that permits it.
> --
> mitch
> Maurice J. (Mitch) Freedman, MLS, PhD
> President of the American Library Association
David Still wrote:
> Dear Mitch: Thanks for letting me know that someone is posing as me. But what message is he sending? Does he have some overdue books or is he complaining that some books in libraries may be immoral or, worse, tasteless? I am a great respector of libraries and recall lan old friend ad adviser who once told me: if you want to get laid, go to college. If you want to learn, go the the library.
> Be of good cheer
> Maurice J. (Mitch) Freedman wrote:
> Leonard Tolkan, a pseudonym, used your e-mail service to maintain his anonymity in a message he wrote. That you are or are not a real person does not concern me. The lack of identification of Leonard Tolkan, his claiming to be librarian, and his total lack of accountability is what concerns me.
>
> Should I ever wish to send e-mails with my identity hidden, I know that there is a website, www.davidstill.org, that permits it.
> --
> mitch
> Maurice J. (Mitch) Freedman, MLS, PhD
> President of the American Library Association
<freedman@wlsmail.org>
12 Jan 2003 16:01:21
12 Jan 2003 16:01:21
<rms@gnu.org>
12 Jan 2003 12:01:44
12 Jan 2003 12:01:44
Subject: Re: Thanks!
I hope you don't think I was criticizing you. I am just trying to connect your message with my memory. I probably don't connect your name with our conversation. Can you help me connect them?
>From: David Still
>who told you not to talk to strangers? what makes you check your recent emails?
>are you real or is it real to deal with the unexpected?
>From: David Still
>who told you not to talk to strangers? what makes you check your recent emails?
>are you real or is it real to deal with the unexpected?
Subject: Re: Reality
thats great... but you know I can't remember ever visiting your site... I must have, I can't recall it. I can't even remember doubting your authenticity. If I have offended you in any way I am sincerely sorry. However I have no problem accepting my reality. You are there and I am here and that's real enough for me. Considering that I live in a fantasy world it's nice to know that I have at least one foot on the ground.
Ciao
Meika
Ciao
Meika
<nudybugs@hotmail.com>
12 Jan 2003 05:01:07
12 Jan 2003 05:01:07
<michellebelle83@hotmail.com>
11 Jan 2003 23:01:12
11 Jan 2003 23:01:12
Subject: Re: Reality
Well.... David.
It was really great knowing you. But from your previous emails, you said that you know me from my work. Well I will be leaving there as of Feb. 1st, so...nice knowing ya buddy.
It was really great knowing you. But from your previous emails, you said that you know me from my work. Well I will be leaving there as of Feb. 1st, so...nice knowing ya buddy.
Subject: Re: Reality
Well, Mr. Still, sir, frankly, the question of your authenticity doesn't exactly keep me up at night.
You're a real person? WOW! So I am. I have a life and a job and friends. I bet you do, too. So who really cares? I certainly don't care if you're real. That's all fine and dandy. Be real, if that's what you prefer.
You're a real person? WOW! So I am. I have a life and a job and friends. I bet you do, too. So who really cares? I certainly don't care if you're real. That's all fine and dandy. Be real, if that's what you prefer.
<razorbladeroses@yahoo.com>
11 Jan 2003 23:01:35
11 Jan 2003 23:01:35
<freedman@wlsmail.org>
11 Jan 2003 20:01:34
11 Jan 2003 20:01:34
Subject: Re: Reality
Leonard Tolkan, a pseudonym, used your e-mail service to maintain his anonymity in a message he wrote. That you are or are not a real person does not concern me. The lack of identification of Leonard Tolkan, his claiming to be librarian, and his total lack of accountability is what concerns me.
Should I ever wish to send e-mails with my identity hidden, I know that there is a website, www.davidstill.org, that permits it.
--
mitch
Maurice J. (Mitch) Freedman, MLS, PhD
President of the American Library Association
http://www.mjfreedman.org; freedman@wlsmail.org
Director, Westchester (NY) Library System
410 Saw Mill River Road - Suite 1000
Ardsley, NY 10502-2605
Voice: (914) 231-3223; fax: (914) 674-4193
www.westchesterlibraries.org
All matters concerning the U*N*A*B*A*S*H*E*D Librarian,
Should be sent to <editor@unabashedlibrarian.com>
"I'll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places..."
Should I ever wish to send e-mails with my identity hidden, I know that there is a website, www.davidstill.org, that permits it.
--
mitch
Maurice J. (Mitch) Freedman, MLS, PhD
President of the American Library Association
http://www.mjfreedman.org; freedman@wlsmail.org
Director, Westchester (NY) Library System
410 Saw Mill River Road - Suite 1000
Ardsley, NY 10502-2605
Voice: (914) 231-3223; fax: (914) 674-4193
www.westchesterlibraries.org
All matters concerning the U*N*A*B*A*S*H*E*D Librarian,
Should be sent to <editor@unabashedlibrarian.com>
"I'll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places..."
Subject: Re: Reality
This sounds a little too much like you've read the "Griffin & Sabine" books.
I have received a few messages from "David Still," but I know the website allows anyone to send a message from "David". If you are someone I know, you'll have to do better than sending me an anonymous message like this. You obviously have my email address - so send me something privately - if you are real. I know anything I reply to "David" just goes up on his web site.
I have received a few messages from "David Still," but I know the website allows anyone to send a message from "David". If you are someone I know, you'll have to do better than sending me an anonymous message like this. You obviously have my email address - so send me something privately - if you are real. I know anything I reply to "David" just goes up on his web site.
<ADAM.KLEIN@oracle.com>
11 Jan 2003 18:01:52
11 Jan 2003 18:01:52
<voyd@voyd.com>
11 Jan 2003 15:01:04
11 Jan 2003 15:01:04
Subject: Re: Reality
> Dear Patrick Lichty
> You were very surprised when I contacted you.
True.
>You said you'd never met me. But when you visited my website you recognized
me -how I look, where I live. It all seemed strangely familiar.
With all respect, I did not.
>Yet you continue to question my authenticity. Do you really think I'm just
a 'character' created for the web?
It's possible. Many others have done so, including myself.
> Just to show how real I am, let me remind you that I live in a neighbourhood called "De Realiteit" (Reality) in Almere, the Netherlands. That's where I live - in the flesh. So how could I have invented such a name?
You could merely be familiar with that area of the Netherlands, grown up there, etc.
For example, I am very familiar with the Tokyo and Manchester areas. I have
many pictures of myself in Japan, and an address where I can recieve mail,
and have many friends that could vouch for my existence. I am also somewhat
fluent in Japanese as well. THerefore, I could easily quote with great detail down to owners of several shops near Narakita-Danchi, Aobaku, Yokohama-shi, Japan to the point where it would appear that I could possibly live there.
>When you get to know me better, you'll soon realise that I'm a part of your world, part of your own reality. And this is why you should trust me.
WIth all due respect, and I'm not being contrary, whether I trust you or not is not the point. I do not trust or not trust you. You are a personality whom I am dealing with on the Net, and if I ever meet you or have cross-references from friends on the Net, I'll know a bit more about you, and that's fine.
I personally have nothing against you, and if met, I'd love to buy you a beer somewhere.
My point was that the promotional strategy in regards to sending a form letter to seek out potential colleagues for a design firm was something that would naturally be met with skepticism or derision, as it is similar to many hoaxes and net interventions. So in the world of net.art such an appeal is
so similar to a possible intervention that such skepticism is almost expected.
In addition, it was very strange when nearly a dozen of us began sharing these notes of yours, and it became a sort of joke on one or two of the lists, seeming almost like the semi-weekly form letters from supposed
deposed African officials, who ask that they deal with you from Netherlands phone numbers. Therefore, your location and method of contact worked against you a little.
From a personal perspective, you caught me during the winter, which usually means I'm a littel more apt to be foul tempered, and I was undergoing a particularly unpleasant episode in which my church's minister was publicly rebuking my family for questioning their authority in regards to some radical divergences with church doctrine. You can imagine that this would meet me with a stressful attitude.
Secondly, since I have been around the tech sector for over two decades, I have seen start-up companies come and go, and I have been involved with eight so far, with only one being half successful. Therefore, I beg your understanding in being very skeptical in regards to start-ups of any kind, and which is why I will only work with start-ups who are willing to pay some small fraction as a measure of good faith (usually 40%).
I mean, if you have some sort of concrete business plan you would like to show me under a Non-Disclosure Agreement or talk in greater depth under the proviso that I require at least a fractional payment to begin an enterprise, then I'm very interested in hearing your ideas. I mean no disrespect, but I honestly thought you were some odd net artist perpetrating a hoax.
As for trust, I'm sure that can be built if I'm someone you want to trust you (re: that I'm worth the effort, which under your personal paradigm may not be the case, and I respect that). I also apologize for any offense, but
the way you went about things was very similar to some pretty bombastic hoaxes.
Best,
Patrick Lichty
> You were very surprised when I contacted you.
True.
>You said you'd never met me. But when you visited my website you recognized
me -how I look, where I live. It all seemed strangely familiar.
With all respect, I did not.
>Yet you continue to question my authenticity. Do you really think I'm just
a 'character' created for the web?
It's possible. Many others have done so, including myself.
> Just to show how real I am, let me remind you that I live in a neighbourhood called "De Realiteit" (Reality) in Almere, the Netherlands. That's where I live - in the flesh. So how could I have invented such a name?
You could merely be familiar with that area of the Netherlands, grown up there, etc.
For example, I am very familiar with the Tokyo and Manchester areas. I have
many pictures of myself in Japan, and an address where I can recieve mail,
and have many friends that could vouch for my existence. I am also somewhat
fluent in Japanese as well. THerefore, I could easily quote with great detail down to owners of several shops near Narakita-Danchi, Aobaku, Yokohama-shi, Japan to the point where it would appear that I could possibly live there.
>When you get to know me better, you'll soon realise that I'm a part of your world, part of your own reality. And this is why you should trust me.
WIth all due respect, and I'm not being contrary, whether I trust you or not is not the point. I do not trust or not trust you. You are a personality whom I am dealing with on the Net, and if I ever meet you or have cross-references from friends on the Net, I'll know a bit more about you, and that's fine.
I personally have nothing against you, and if met, I'd love to buy you a beer somewhere.
My point was that the promotional strategy in regards to sending a form letter to seek out potential colleagues for a design firm was something that would naturally be met with skepticism or derision, as it is similar to many hoaxes and net interventions. So in the world of net.art such an appeal is
so similar to a possible intervention that such skepticism is almost expected.
In addition, it was very strange when nearly a dozen of us began sharing these notes of yours, and it became a sort of joke on one or two of the lists, seeming almost like the semi-weekly form letters from supposed
deposed African officials, who ask that they deal with you from Netherlands phone numbers. Therefore, your location and method of contact worked against you a little.
From a personal perspective, you caught me during the winter, which usually means I'm a littel more apt to be foul tempered, and I was undergoing a particularly unpleasant episode in which my church's minister was publicly rebuking my family for questioning their authority in regards to some radical divergences with church doctrine. You can imagine that this would meet me with a stressful attitude.
Secondly, since I have been around the tech sector for over two decades, I have seen start-up companies come and go, and I have been involved with eight so far, with only one being half successful. Therefore, I beg your understanding in being very skeptical in regards to start-ups of any kind, and which is why I will only work with start-ups who are willing to pay some small fraction as a measure of good faith (usually 40%).
I mean, if you have some sort of concrete business plan you would like to show me under a Non-Disclosure Agreement or talk in greater depth under the proviso that I require at least a fractional payment to begin an enterprise, then I'm very interested in hearing your ideas. I mean no disrespect, but I honestly thought you were some odd net artist perpetrating a hoax.
As for trust, I'm sure that can be built if I'm someone you want to trust you (re: that I'm worth the effort, which under your personal paradigm may not be the case, and I respect that). I also apologize for any offense, but
the way you went about things was very similar to some pretty bombastic hoaxes.
Best,
Patrick Lichty